And because of this I have written a HOW TO ARTICLE with point by point instructions and pictures. If you are paying even 1 centessimo to have someone do this for you, you are paying to much. If you need help, just ask and I will be more than willing to assist you.

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Which reminds me that I have to call my commercialista!!!

Thanks for the link. I tried it, but got some outrageously high figures. Is the ICI (prima rata) really approximate to 10% of the purchase price? I really can't believe that it is so high. As a matter of interest, how do you input the purchase price if you bought in euro? For example, if your place cost 100,000 euro (one hundred thousand euro), how would you input it?

Sorry if this sounds a silly question, but I've been trying it every which way, and it's driving me nuts!

You don't use the purchase price but the rendita (look for it in the contract). For me, the amount was 560.26 euro. This is the rental value or some silly number. If you calculate on this number your rate should be reasonable. I pay less than €200 per year. Where did you get the 10% figure from?

IIRC the rendita is the economic rent. It's supposed to represent the value you've received from owning the property.

Ah - my mistake. I thought it was related to the economic value of the house, not the presumed rental value.

If you live in your house, and don't rent it out, do you still need to pay ICI?

From the article

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Every year, property taxes are due in Italy. This is a rather new tax (introduced in 1993) but this does not make it any less important. The tax is called ICI or Imposta Communale sugli Immobili and if you own property in Italy you must pay.

So yes, even if you don't rent it out you have to pay. I don't know why they chose this number (seems kind of silly to me) but glad it is a low number and not based on the value of the property Hope this helps.

They could have used resale value but a lower multiplier. At least to start it ends up the same. The question for both methods is how often to they raise the multiplier and how often to they change the value.

The rendita is stated in the atto di compravendita. Unless the property is resold it will not change.
Also if you are paying from abroad, you can pay at www.poste.it.

Ben fatto, Cristina. Grazie!!

I think I have the hang of it. Three small questions reguarding the detrazione:
1) is the amount you cite, 103.29 euros, the same all over Italy?
2) suppongo I own 50% of my house and would like to calculate the ICI for 6 months. Do I use the 103.29 euro figure?
3) I have seen mention that Italian citizens living outside of Italy and registered with the AIRE are allowed to declare a house they own in Italy as their prime residence, thereby allowing them to take the detraction. Comments?

Thanks again!!

The detraction amount (103.29 mentioned above) is not the same all over so when you get the aliquota for your comune it will say the correct amount for you.

You use the full amount (it says Detrazione Totale)always.

Prima casa is your main house in Italy. Even if you do not live in it, to get the rate though you need to have residency for that house. If you do not have residency you would use the other percentage amount.

Ok I have been through my contact and the only thing I can find is Rendita catastale 324,000 but it listed twice. I assume because the house we bought was owned by more than one person and we had to pay each one for part of the house. Does this make sense and does 324,000 X 2 sound right?
Thanks

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I assume because the house we bought was owned by more than one person and we had to pay each one for part of the house. Does this make sense and does 324,000 X 2 sound right

No, The rendita catastale is an absolute value.
That is, the number of the owners doesn't affect the value of the rendita recorded by the Catasto.



My guess: your property is actually formed by two smaller parts, each with its own rendita.
For example a two-storey villetta could have been registered as two units.
The description of the property in the Atto di acquisto should show other numbers related to the rendita ,for example (number are fictious):
foglio (fg) 52
particella 201
sub 1
rendita (your example: 324.000)
Note that is Lire! 324 thousands!
[italian uses point instead of comma and vice versa.]
1 Euro =1936.27 lire by the way

the second unit should differ only for the 'sub' part;
following the example above
foglio 52
particella 201
sub 2

In sum, you probably own two units and you should compile the bollettino accordingly.

I add here a disclaimer :
this is not a professional consulence of course

editing to add that yes, probably you have to compute 324.000 (/1936.27 for Euro) twice (but only once the detrazione if it applies ), but that only because there are actually two units.
you havee to verify this point first.

Thanks, next question the property I own has a barn and other buildings and it looks like the contract has listed a separate rendita for each one. Do I do a separate form for each one or do I add the rendita together and just do one form?

Thanks

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add the rendita together and just do one form?

One form per Comune.
you have basically to add the rendite and list the total number of buildings in "altri fabbricati"

Or total number minus 1 if you are entitled to treat your main house like abitazione principale, [main house]

See the link Cristina provided in the first post in this thread to identify the fields in the form.

A further note:
the rendita needs to be revalued +5%

then you have to multiply the new value by a coefficient; this can vary according to the categoria of the building but normally it is 100.
The category should have been cited with the same numbers I spoke about in the former message, along with the rendita itself.
It is a letter followed by a number, for instance: A/2 A/3


categoria
A 100
[escluded A/10 for which the coefficient is 50 ]
B 100

C 100
[escluded C/1 coefficient is 34 ]

D 50


Houses are normally in A category

Barn maybe a C or a D you should check.


In sum:

valuebldng =rendita x 1.05 x 100 [ <--or other coefficent: see above]

that is the value of your building

Check what is the rate established by your comune
around 6 /1000

Assuming it is 6 (it could be not!)
ICI =valuebldng x 6/1000



I hope this helps.

I also have to call my commercialista-
My house has 3 owners (3/4 mine , 1/8mom,1/8 stepdad) - there are 3 different rates on the house (one house, one downstairs which was a shop, and a building outside)
- I think my commercialista charges me something like 20 bucks to do it... or at least he should start charging me something (its my friends brother)

I keep getting an error message when I go to the website to calculate. The page says 2004 just like the example...could this be the problem?

I do have another question...on the page where you enter the rendita, rate, etc, if we have lived here over one year, do I put in 12 as the number of months?

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Originally posted by Barb (and Art):
[...]
The page says 2004 just like the example...could this be the problem?

I do have another question...on the page where you enter the rendita, rate, etc, if we have lived here over one year, do I put in 12 as the number of months?

I checked http://www.ancicnc.it/ici/ici2000.asp

[btw despite the filename they are updated]

San Venanzo didn't change the aliquote [rate] since the last year, thus the value computed should be correct.

Note that the value for computing the tax is not the value you actually paid but the one you get by multiplying the rendita x 1.05 x 100 [check also if the rendita value is expressed in Euro or Lire [in this case rendita in Lire /1936.27 = rendita in Euro]

check also if the shelter [box?] for the auto has a rendita by itself:
in this case you'll have
1 "abitazione principale " house
1 "altro fabbricato" shelter box
[see the bollettino Cristina shows on the main site]

Some Comuni allow 1 payment for all
but if each owners pay for his/ her due tax,
that is 1 bollettino each, you can't be wrong

You and your husband share the detrazione
you have thus 103.29/2 [san venanzo detrazione]each [to be computed only for the abitazione principale]

Since there are two payments every year [on June and December]
the tax computed as above has to be divided by 2

your second question:
15 or more days = 1 month

January 1--> december 15 = 12 months
january 1----> December 14 =11 months

If you are going for two payments for the year and are calculating your prima rata (first payment)

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Mesi possesso primo semetre would be 6 if you have owned the property since January. If though you purchased your property on April 30, you would write 2.

If instead you are doing one payment for the full year, you would write 12 (unless you bought the house after January or sold it before the end of the year. It is the actual time you own the house out of the 6 month (for prima rata or seconda rata) or 12 months (for the full payment)

As for why you got an error, you must have input something wrong because you shouldn't get an error even if it does say 2004 (as long as you use the correct amounts). If you still have problems, send me your rendita amount via PM and I will do it for you.

Hi,
I hope you will be able to help with a few queries. We bought a house, well two buildings and a lot of land with olive trees, last year in Puglia it had no running water or bathrooms.
We have had some work done and now have running water and two bathrooms which have been built onto one of the buildings. We have not paid any ICI since we bought the house, everyone we asked said don't worry it isn't a lot and with organising the building etc from England we just didn't get around to paying. I understand from your Forum that I must look for the rendita value , I have found two, presumably one for each building, but there are other values in Euros 'uliveto classe 3 are 41.33 R.D euro 18,14 R.A. euro 11,74' I have no idea what this means or if I need to add that value to calculate the amount of ICI due. Also as I have added the bathrooms does this alter the rendita value and if so what do I need to do to get it changed? Sorry to ask so many questions but my Italian isn't great and won't be until I get to live in our house full time. Any answers you can give me will be gratefully received.

Hi Jane and welcome. I am great with the basic ICI stuff but land etc. is something I have not researched yet. I will ask a friend of mine and see what I can come up with for you.

Hello Jane, and welcome from another Brit who's recently bought a bit of Puglia Whereabouts is your place? We're in Ostuni: I posted a bit about it here.

I can't give you any useful help on ICI, I'm afraid: our little townhouse doesn't have any olive groves attached...!

Jonathan

Many thanks for your responses Cristina and Jonathan I posted here before introducing myself - which was the wrong way around I'll post on the introduction section now!

Christina...wow. I am so happy to have found this because the Commercialista charge for doing my ICI the last two years has been higher than the ICI itself. I just have one question for you, a stupid one, which might have been answered already...we both are on the title, so we both have to pay, is that correct? I have picked up two forms from the commercilista the last two years, one for me and one for my husband. This has been correct, i assume? BOth have been for the same amount of ICI...
Thanks, you just saved us 200 euro....

diana

Yes if you are both on the title, then you each have to pay half (if the division of ownership is 50/50) of the total ICI due. This year I paid online so I paid my half with my credit card and my husbandìs half with his (since I had to set up seperate accounts for the two portions).

It is amazing how much money they charge to have this done. I used to do it with a calculator but now that they have the whole thing on a program online it is even easier.

Glad it helped!