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...tra cui uno del Ruanda con permesso di soggiorno scaduto...


WTF does that have to do with it!!!!!??? It has no bearing on the incident AT ALL!!! And the media gets away with it!!!!! Aaaaargh!!!!
 
Posts: 241 | Location (City & State): In giro... | Registered: 29 March 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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mmm yes but the problem also stems from the fact that black people could never be seen as Italians. An eyewitness (a not particularly racist or lega north type)and who was obviously a bit disturbed by what had happened told TG1 that she saw "un extra comunitare" lying on the ground. She didnt realise what she was saying but surely the point is that she didnt realise that Italians could be black too? Until this fundamental problem is addressed it will always be a them and us (the Italians) situation this can only make for more social problems in the future.
 
Posts: 38 | Location (City & State): Rome Italy | Registered: 03 July 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I agree with what you are saying, but really, how do they think Denny Mendez won Miss Italia then? I am seriously, did it show them nothing?
 
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i know this is not as serious as the other incidents but i was wondering for all those living in Roma if the Roma v CFR Cluj-Napoca
2-1 loss has stirred up anything. it makes it even more ironic as the romanian CFR Cluj-Napoca coach is italian Maurizio Trombetta.
 
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I'm not following the connection between someone smashing a 19-year-old's skull with a tire iron while shouting 'Negro di merda', Miss Italia, and a football match. huh?
 
Posts: 14945 | Location (City & State): Friuli | Registered: 21 November 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Denny Mendez, former Miss Italia 1996, is black. So obviously an Italian citizen CAN be black. There was an uproar then with two of the panel judges being suspended for saying a black woman could not represent Italian beauty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny_Mendez
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“Denny Méndez . . . born in the Dominican Republic to a naturalized Italian mother and an Italian [step]father, was named Miss Italy after receiving nine million telephone votes from the television audience.” Nine million Italians voted to shatter the prism of race, just by watching a TV beauty pageant and phoning in their votes! Beauty is, indeed, in the eye of the beholder, and the eyes of the world today are quite capable of seeing past skin color. The Italian people’s choice was Denny Méndez, notwithstanding the objections of a pageant official who said, “A black girl can’t be Miss Italy. It’s not in the rules.”


Well, apparently Italy has done a 180 from 12 years ago. And they are certainly not as colorblind as they thought.
 
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I'm confused- the guy with the tire iron was thinking about a beauty pageant while wailing on the victim's skull?
 
Posts: 14945 | Location (City & State): Friuli | Registered: 21 November 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I guess it's not your nationality that counts, it's the colour of your skin, which is apparently all the assailant had in mind?
 
Posts: 957 | Location (City & State): From Lille to Torino | Registered: 12 January 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Apparently he was also angry about his stolen packet of biscotti.
 
Posts: 14945 | Location (City & State): Friuli | Registered: 21 November 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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This legal immigrant from Ghana was beaten up by 3 thugs (including being kicked in the head) and then was basically treated like trash by the Parma police (7 officers). Why do I feel like I'm in a flashback to 1961 Mississippi?
http://www.stranieriinitalia.it/attualita-picchiato_e_i...gili_negro_5891.html
 
Posts: 14945 | Location (City & State): Friuli | Registered: 21 November 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Bill,

All these racist attacks are really scaring me tremendously. I have an almost 6-year old son who is black and this gov't and all its racist and stupid new reforms really p*** me off.

There have been racist attacks here in Turin as well, and now with mayors having the right to arrest all immigrants without papers, especially prostitutes, my tiny "comune" with a right-wing mayor has posted an official communication that all prostitutes will be arrested on the spot. Problem is that Carabinieri are stopping ONLY black women... luckily the ones that were stopped had their permesso di soggiorno and were returning home from one of the local manufacturers....the automatic prejudice that black = hooker or black = hood is beyond me. I shudder to think what will happen when my cute black son grows into a handsome black man...
 
Posts: 37 | Location (City & State): Torino, Piemonte | Registered: 27 February 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Pinguina, I don't know your situation, of course it doesn't matter. Just thought to mention that I've seen around town a few black kids with white parents and some mixed marriages with kids in our school. No one that I notice seems to give them a second look. So I assume that there are here at least many white Italians who are not concerned about race. Hopefully your son can grow up in a similar environment.
 
Posts: 2241 | Location (City & State): Belluno, Italy | Registered: 24 June 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Second jhelm's post: I too live in Torino, and our neighbourhood is amazingly colour-blind. I live near a small piazza with spaces for whatever: kids' play areas, doggy fun (scoop!), five-a-side random football. We have literally rainbow families and not one hint of resentment, aggression, racism--but it has to be said that there don't seem to be drug, prostitution or other issues--basically your garden variety resident neighbourhood.
 
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Belluno and your neighborhood in Torino sound nice.

People in Parma likely feel the same about their town.

Yet look at the actions of the 7 police officers in the above news item. These are the people we trust to help us if tragedy strikes and we are attacked by a band of sociopaths. The betrayal of that trust is the issue, not how nice people normally get along on the playgrounds of Parma. The racial aspect of the betrayal is all the more disturbing- is it acceptable that entire segments of the population cannot rely on their government to serve them? He and his father are legal immigrants just like us- their taxes are paying the salaries of these officers too. I say shine the light on these cops, make an example of them for others who may be teetering on the edge of going over to the dark side. Why would anyone want to sweep it under the rug and just hope it doesn't happen in my neighborhood?
 
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You are right Bill, our comments were just trying to show another person that not all Italian are like that and that she shouldn't be too afraid for her son.
 
Posts: 2241 | Location (City & State): Belluno, Italy | Registered: 24 June 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Thanks for the link Bill. What really concerns me is that this doesn't seem to have received any coverage in the national press. I don't have a TV at the moment - did anyone notice if it was covered on the tgs?
 
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It was on all the TG's I saw yesterday morning... but not all of them told the same story. Some favored the young victims side of the story, others the police's side.
 
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Certainly not all Italians are racist, but its true to say that integration here is pretty difficuly because probably 50% of the people I know (work colleagues, people who serve me in shops where I live - Tor Bella Monaca) are racist or at least reasonably hostile (I am frequently told I look Romanian.. and even if I was so what!).

Videos that have appeared on You Tube like the one posted by tony91166 (just type in the words PLEASE DON'T COME IN ITALY)don't really convince me that things will be easy in the next few years.
 
Posts: 38 | Location (City & State): Rome Italy | Registered: 03 July 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Now a Chinese young man is beaten by 5 assailants in Rome. At least this time there's no misbehavior by the police.
http://www.stranieriinitalia.it/attualita-razzismo_a_ro...5_italiani_5925.html
 
Posts: 14945 | Location (City & State): Friuli | Registered: 21 November 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Well things have certain deteriorated since I started this thread at the beginning of July. I had also forgotten to mention that I had seen an black women attacked on a bus in Ostia during the month of August. Why was she attacked? because two Italian women (both in their 50's) decided that she was talking too loudly on her cell phone. I was sitting behind the women and she didnt seem to be talking that loudly (the Italian women were further back in the bus). When one of the Italian women stood up to leave the bus she told the woman that she shouldn't talk so loudly on the phone and that she should return to her own country. She then proceeded to attack her with slaps and punches around the head (the women never hit back and remained seated only putting up her arm to defend herself - she also had a baby in a pram next to her and her toddler son on the seat in front of her). I also tried to stop the woman from hitting her but she kept pushing my arm away, eventually after a few seconds the bus driver arrived and threw the two women off the bus. What was so shocking was the absolute ferocity and hate that was shown by this woman towards the victim and the fact that she had two small children next to her didnt even make a difference. This incident was not reported to the Police and Carabiniere and so it didnt get on the Telegiornale but who knows how many times these incidents are happening now?

Also I found an interesting article from 2005 about detention centres..... of course I feel certain that Maroni will have improved conditions drastically now and La Russa has also been generous enough to use empty caserma buildings to create new concentration camps.

http://www.emigrati.it/Immigrazione/Immigrazione.asp#Clandestini_Lampedusa
 
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An Italian citizen originally from Somalia, mistreated by security at Ciampino
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Mi hanno tenuta nuda quattro ore in una stanza dell’aeroporto di Ciampino. Prima mi hanno accusato di essere una ladra di bambini, poi di traffico di clandestini e per ultimo di essere un corriere della droga". Ma Amina Sheikh Said, donna somala di 51 anni, sposata con un italiano e cittadina italiana, era solo una nonna che riportava in Italia i suoi quattro nipotini da Londra.

Tornava a Roma dopo aver fatto visita ai quattro figli che abitano a Londra, la donna somala che ha denunciato di essere stata vittima di ingiurie razziste. Era il 21 luglio. Insieme a lei aveva per mano quattro dei suoi nipotini, tre di un figlio e uno di un altro, bambini tra i sette e gli 11 anni.

L’hanno chiamata negra; l’hanno "umiliata, maltrattata e oltraggiata" come spiegano i rappresentanti dell’associazione Antigone che sostengono legalmente la battaglia di Amina. "Arrivata all’aeroporto di Ciampino - racconta l’associazione - la Polizia di Frontiera esamina i documenti dei bimbi e decide che qualcosa non va. I minori hanno cognomi diversi tra loro".

"Il marito che aspettava la famiglia in aeroporto, viene fatto entrare nell’area doganale", spiega l’associazione. "Lo accusano con spregio di essere correo nel reato di favoreggiamento dell’immigrazione clandestina". Ispezionano i bagagli. "Amina è condotta in una stanza e fatta spogliare per un’ispezione corporale. Le resta addosso il solo reggiseno. Due donne - racconta ancora Antigone - le dicono che si sarebbe dovuta sottoporre all’esplorazione anale e vaginale. Amina rifiuta. Chiede almeno che sia un medico a farlo".

Le due donne incaricate dell’ispezione la ingiuriano: "Ti spedisco in carcere"; "Come sei nera fuori lo sei dentro"; "Daremo i bambini all’assistente sociale". La sospettano di essere un corriere della droga. Per oltre quattro ore, Amina rimane svestita di fronte a un numero imprecisato di persone che entrano ed escono dalla stanza, poi viene ammanettata e distesa su una barella, coperta da un telo di cellophane da imballo. Viene portata in ambulanza al Policlinico Casilino. Dalla perquisizione non emerge niente.

"Nessuno le rilascia alcun verbale - dicono le associazioni - delle perquisizioni effettuate non rimane traccia. Le annunciano che contro di lei è stato aperto un procedimento penale per resistenza a pubblico ufficiale".

http://www.meltingpot.org/articolo13417.html
 
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Seems the assailants of the Chinese fellow in Rome had done it before:
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A Chinese immigrant was beaten up by a group of teenagers in Rome Thursday, the latest in a series of apparently racist attacks.

An eye witness told police the 25-year-old, who does not speak Italian, was on his way home in a working-class Rome suburb when he was surrounded by the group of five or six who allegedly shouted racist slurs before breaking his nose and inflicting other injuries.

Police said the same group attacked two 30-year-old Ivory Coast immigrants last week after shouting racist insults.

http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2008-10-02_102254184.html
 
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Italian soccer player comes out against racism in Italy:
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The first black footballer to play for Italy on Friday joined the growing chorus of voices warning that the country could be facing an epidemic of racism.

''As an Italian I am ashamed,'' veteran Palermo midfielder Fabio Liverani told ANSA after the latest in a series of apparently racist attacks the previous day.

Liverani, 32, a half-Somali who made history by turning out for Italy in 2001, noted that he was from the same working-class Rome district, Tor Bella Monaca, where Thursday's assault on a Chinese man occurred.

The ex-Lazio and Fiorentina player said he had noticed a rise in intolerance.

''It's like we've travelled 60 years back in time. And the level of violence is rising. When I was a boy I suffered some episodes of racism but it was essentially verbal''.

''Just when we thought some progress was being made things are going backwards. I used to hang out in that area. It was a place that had managed to clean itself up, but now this''.
 
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