Now I have my licence, I wanna buy a second hand big scooter for around 2000 euro. Thing is that in Liguria, people use them A LOT, and so there are always high kms on them, but in Milan and Torino there are plenty sitting idle in a garage while the owner uses another form of transport.

I've found a luscious Kymco Xciting 250 in Monza, and the price is good, with only 7,000km on the clock. My wife says both me and the owner would need to go to the Motorizzazione together on a work day to deal with transfer of ownership. Is this right? Obviously I want to minimise the number of round trips I'd do to Monza or wherever to complete the deal.

Anyone know if there's a way of dealing with this as 'remotely' as possible?

(btw, sorry if this is in the wrong section)

I don't know, but remember you need a patente A to drive a 250cc.

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Kymco Xciting 250

I bought a second hand bike last year from a private seller, if your are able to pay cash then you and the seller can both go to a pratica auto and sign the scooter over, assuming you can immediately (or already have) arranged insurance (with Genertel you can do this over the internet/phone) you can drive the scoot away right then. The pratica auto takes care of the formal ownership change on the libretto and certificato di proprietà. The only problem would then be to pick up the new libretto and certificato di proprietà a couple of weeks later. You may be able to get the pratica auto people to send them in the post (it would be a slight risk for you though); I went back and picked them up personally.
Obviously the pratica auto agency will charge you for all this; I cannot remember how much I paid them but it sure beats doing battle yourself at the motorizzazione.
Remember if you buy from a private individual you have no warranty (Caveat emptor) whereas if you buy a second hand scoot from a dealer he is OBLIGED by law to give you a 2 year warranty unless you mutually agree to reduce this to 1 year.

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Originally posted by chrisb:
Remember if you buy from a private individual you have no warranty (Caveat emptor) whereas if you buy a second hand scoot from a dealer he is OBLIGED by law to give you a 2 year warranty unless you mutually agree to reduce this to 1 year.

We just went to a scooter shop, and he said it's only for one year, but you can extend it to two years by paying extra.

(I don't trust his word much though, coz he ripped my wife off once)

It sounds like buying in Milan would be hard work. Another case of unnecessarily complex Italian bureaucracy to deal with! *sigh*

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We just went to a scooter shop, and he said it's only for one year, but you can extend it to two years by paying extra.

As I said, he is obliged to give you a 2 year warranty unless you agree to reduce it to 1 year. This is what the scoot dealer is proposing, i.e. the scoot costs less if you accept a 1 year warranty instead of 2 years.

OK, thanks! I'm certain you know what you're talking about, but have you got a link for that piece of legislation? It could be useful for me in the future!

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Originally posted by QuasiLigurese:
OK, thanks! I'm certain you know what you're talking about, but have you got a link for that piece of legislation? It could be useful for me in the future!

If you go to this page:
http://www.ghostridershop.com/cat043.php?n=1

"Kymco XCITING 250 del 2006 GARANZIA 12 MESI"

Seems all the shops do this. *shrug*

Sorry i took so long, regarding the warranty legislation (and everything else regardinks PTW in Italy) buy youself a copy of the magazine "In Sella". Everything you need to know about licencing registration warranties dealers etc Plus a write up on every PTW availabler in Italy. Cost less than 2 Euro

I've ended up buying an Xciting here in Genova for 2700 euro, 5000km on the clock in good as new condition. Pick it up on Tuesday.

Very excited!!!

Good luck with it!!!

Ditto!
And be sure to get that patente A.

The patente A ce l'ho!!!

Remember I had all the problems with the autoscuola? All this hassle has been purely to get the patente A!

Oops, my bad. Mind is like a sieve.